a wiki page edit re Greenlake re thongs and topfree . . .

I have just done some edits to wiki pages for Greenlake Park and Denny Blaine Park, updating the information about nude, topfree and thong use.

Here is the post I made re Greenlake . . .

Here is the post I made re Denny Blaine . . .

by the way, note how the wiki entry re Denny Blaine has a statement attributed to Seattle Parks workers, without any date or source, a statement that is contradicted by anyone who has gone to the park recently . . .

I see that someone has undone my edits or improvements on the basis that they are not from official sources.  How dumb . . .  You’ve got out of date information from Seattle parks people that nudity is not common at Denny Blaine Park and I personally go and most people at nude or topless.  But I can’t successfully edit the out-of-date information cause I am just an individual and am not quoted in the newspaper or some other official source . . .

After several years of one man’s walking in skimpy undies or swimwear, progressively less over time, and after an complaint being filed in civil court in 2014 and then being dismissed on the plaintiff’s motion, it has now become somewhat accepted for people to wear thongs either while walking or sunbathing in some parts of the park. Thong use, including g-strings, while uncommon, has been and is being done, by either sex.[9][10]

As part of the research and discussion in court findings in the lawsuit, several Seattle and King County residents were asked, not only if a person wearing a thong at Greenlake would be a cause of reasonable affront, but if the presence of some pubic hair showing would change the thong-wearing so as to be a cause reasonable affront.

The police and the public seem more or less reconciled at this time to some persons wearing thongs, either at Greenlake and perhaps the other major Seattle parks. A person going fully nude at Greenlake is probably currently discouraged by police, although it has been observed by myself as on 9/16/14. A man was fully nude and reading a newspaper, situated between the walking path and the lake at about where NE 66th Street would touch the lake, if it did not end at E Greenlake Dr N. Given his angle and his newspaper, he was situated in such a way that his gens were not obvious to those walking by on the paved walking path, but persons passing by would realize he was nude. His gens were visible to those walking on the dirt walking path a few feet from the lake. This fellow was there for probably about an hour and did not generate much concern, but police did follow up on a call about him a few hours later and after he had left.

There are signs put up at the two main beaches which discourage a person from having bare buns and which reference parts of the Washington code that speaks of maintaining water quality and safety. Some of thong use therefore occurs either on the walking path or on the sunbathing-and-play-area lawns, but thong-wearing has also been observed on the East Greenlake beach itself. I suspect that there are currently no known instances of lifeguards or staff correcting persons; in any case, the sign put up re no bare buns is meant to protect water quality and not meant as a modesty rule.[11]

In 2014, one person emailed the Seattle Parks requesting information about creating a topfree reading group, such a group being similar to a group or groups in New York.

Topfree use at Greenlake is in a undetermined state. As of 2015, no one has tried to create topfree acceptance and practice at Greenlake, though an occasional woman goes discreetly topfree while face down sunbathing or on a pier. The law in Washington which governs exposure prohibits knowingly causing reasonable affront or alarm. The question is what is reasonable and that will depend in part on the purpose and the context. Although women have gone topfree at various events or protests in Seattle, they have so far not chosen to do so at Greenlake other than quite discreetly. I believe that the reason for their restraint is lack of clarity. As with thongs, if they knew they could, some of them would do so.

A woman who wished to go topfree at Greenlake could simply think of an answer as to why she believes it was reasonable for her to do so and try it. The man who wears a thong while walking or sunbathing believes that the time will come in the next ten years . . . when it will become accepted.

When I wrote the edit, I could not decide for a while if I should include a sentence about the occasional nude kids (estimated ages 4 to 6) while changing, which takes place, not only at the wading pool, but at East Greenlake beach and other areas along the lake.  After pondering it a bit, I deleted the sentence I had written from the wiki edit, on the basis that I figured that people would have more mental peace, when reading that page, if they did not also read that I was writing that minors slightly older than toddlers (4 to 6 years old, I think), while changing, are at times nude briefly and it is regarded as harmless and otherwise unremarkable.

If the wiki page on Greenlake was telling people that just by walking they will see nude minors of age 4 or 5 a few times a month, wiki or Seattle parks might not like that information a great deal, though I don’t know.  I don’t remember how much a person sees at Folklife when people run in the fountain and get wet and mom or dad change their clothing, in terms of ages.  Of course, we all know that dozens of toddlers get wet and change with mom and dad at Folklife.  I didn’t pay enough attention to that to wonder about their ages . . . and so far, for those under 7 at Greenlake, no one has paid attention and no one has regarded the nonproblem as a problem . . .

So I refrained from including a sentence that Parks or some parents might have liked deleted for reasons of discretion and they don’t have to decide if they wish to re-edit my edit to delete or change something officially . . . but for this post on my blog . . . well . . . It happens, though no one made anything obvious or obtrusive about it . . . and most or all people don’t pay extra attention to it.

 

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